This week, as we begin Crime and Punishment, I want to know how does it make you feel and why. Your assignment is:
-Choose 2-3 quotes from Crime and Punishment, at least one each from Ch. 2 and 3
-Type the quotes into your blog entry
-Then explain, based on the quotes, the feeling you get so far from C & P-- this is your gut reaction to the mood that is being set so far, by characterization, description, imagery, etc.
Objective: To both react/analyze the text based on concrete specific passages.
Try not to repeat quotes that have already been selected.
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1 - "'poverty is not a vice, that's a true saying. Yet I know too that drunkenness is not a virtue, and that that's even truer. But beggary, honoured sir, beggary is a vice. In poverty you may still retain your innate nobility of soul, but in beggary—never—no one. For beggary a man is not chased out of human society with a stick, he is swept out with a broom, so as to make it as humiliating as possible'"
2 - "They made me coffee before I went to work and boiled cream for me! They began to get real cream for me, do you hear that? And how they managed to get together the money for a decent outfit—eleven roubles, fifty copecks, I can't guess. Boots, cotton shirt-fronts—most magnificent, a uniform, they got up all in splendid style, for eleven roubles and a half. The first morning I came back from the office I found Katerina Ivanovna had cooked two courses for dinner—soup and salt meat with horse radish—which we had never dreamed of till then."
3 - "'Don't quarrel with your bread and butter.'
'They pay so little for lessons. What's the use of a few coppers?' he answered, reluctantly, as though replying to his own thought.
'And you want to get a fortune all at once?'
He looked at her strangely.
'Yes, I want a fortune,' he answered firmly, after a brief pause. "
Well, so far, i clearly see the realist element of C & P with the word poverty being mentioned in basically every other sentence. The first two quotes that i chose reveal just how bad the economic condition is and the point of view of fellow Raskolnikov-condition people. Based on the first chapter and the third quote, i am guessing that Raskolnikov is planning something and i have a feeling that it is devious. He would not let the thought out of his mind while he was talking to the pawn broker lady.
As a whole (considering the first three chapters) C & P seems like ti will be one of those stories that will deal with both a character's personal struggle and struggle with his [economic] environment. Just now my book opened to the page with the names of Dostoevsky's novels and they seem to revolve around realism: poverty. That is a big clue as to what Raskolnikov is going to have top go through even after his mother and sister come to visit/ give him money. Some big event will change all of that and diminish the value of what he actually has: a loving mother, caring sister and compassionate cook/housekeeper. Also, the scene when he goes into Marmeladov's house gives out so many visual clues as to the "grimy" status of the setting. It really paints a nice picture as to where everyone lives and, more or less, the situation they are stuck in, not like it needs any further mentioning.
>Ch 2. (pg 13)
-"Well, when one has no one, nowhere else one can go! For every man must have somewhere to go. Since there are times when one absolutely must go somewhere! When my own daughter first went out with a yellow ticket, then I had to go..."
This part of the conversation between Raskolnikov and Marmeladov, gives me the idea that Marmeladov, aside from being drunk needs to be doing something if not drinking, b/c his drink might go to fast, he doesnt let anyone else talk or even give an opinion on what hes saying, he just dosnt care. The feel that this quote gave me was that of the author messing with your mind, he makes all these questions, you start wondering, and then contradict what you say, in the end messing with your mind and using philosophy. Here also knowing that teh author was known for an interest in philosophy.
>Ch 3 (pg 27)
-"He waked up the next day after a broken sleep. But his sleep had not refreshed him; he waked up bilious, irritable, ill-tempered, and looked with hatred at his room."
It makes me think of the possible reasons of why he is acting and feeling how he is. Raskolnikov shows the effects of his previous day, he wakes up irritable and didnt sleep right, probably due to the fact that it was as we assume his first time drinking. also he had no money and ended up giving it to M.'s family, and got mad at himself. He might also think about M's situation and his own.
Ch 2
"The tavern, the degraded appearance of the man, the five nights in the hay barge, and the pot of spirit, and yet this poignant love for his wife and children bewildered hi listener. Raskolnikov listened intently but with a sick sensation. He felt vexed that he had come her."
Raskolnikov is a n observative man who notice Marmeladov's contradictive behavior towards his family. He brings misery to their lives, and he himself suffers because of it, but he makes no sacrifices in attempting to change this, and that's why raskolnikov expresses annoyance.
Ch 3.
"He had got completely away from everyone, like a tortoise in its shell, and even the sight of a servant girl who had to wait upon him...made him writhe with nervous agitation."
Raskolnokov is usually nervous or irritated for a certain reason. Does he hate the world or is there a particular reason why he desires to be completely isolated from everything and everyone? This secrecy and darkness leads the reader to imagine that there is something wrong with the main character.
"Why am I to be pitied, you say? Yes! There's nothing to pity me for! I ought to be crucified, crucified on a cross, not pitied! Crucify me, oh judge, crucify me but pity me?" i dont like this man.. he is just making himself the victim but somehow it is really difficult to stop doing something you are addicted to. he feels his life is already judged and that he is not worth anything!!
"You must accept suffering and redeem yourself by it; that's what you must do" i like this quote. why struggle over the things you dont have, thats only going to make you suffer more. just deal with what you have today and accept it that way you dont suffer as much.
in crime and punishment poverty is a theme in the book!! we can see in my first quote where does all the suffering takes people and how being worry about money doesnt bring anything good!!
1. "In spite of the momentary desire he had just been feeling for company of any sort, on being actually spoken to he felt immediately his habitual irritable and uneasy aversion for any stranger who approached or attempted to approach him"
The feeling i receive from this quote is an odd feeling. Kind of like an foreshadowing feeling of Raskolnikov's character. It leads me to believe that in future situations Raz will battle with his inner thoughts and feelings. Thinking one thing and moments later completely contradicting his original thought. It simply leads me to the uneasy feeling of what might be Raz's real character.
2. Nastasya, leave me alone for goodness' sake; here are your three copecks, but for goodness' sake make haste and go! The letter was quivering in his hand; he did not want to open it in her presence; he wanted to be left ALONE with his letter."
When I read that line I started to get anxious. Raz portrays such anxiousness to see whats in the letter that it transferred over to me. He leads me to think that the contents of the letter are of life and death matter.
3. "She is an angel! She is not writing anything to you now, and has only tome me to write that she has so much, so much to tell you that she is not going to take up her pen now..."
This thought makes me curious, what could Dounia have to say that would take so long to write. Is there more than simply loving words that she has to tell her brother? Could there be a side of the story that her mother doesnt know that Dounia wants to tell Raz?
ch.2
"I kissed the dust at his feet--in thought only, for in reality he would not have allowed me to do it, being a statesman and a man of modern political and enlightened ideas."
- In this quote, the author shows how werternized people are superior to people that are not "enlighted" and with this, shows how people like Marme now look less human that modern people. This show a scenario commonly seen in Russia's society during the 1860's.
ch.3
"a man ought not to be indebted to his wife, but that it is better for a wife to look upon her husband as her benefactor."
- Scientific theories and modern philosophy made society of these time to see everything differently, were marriage was no longer about love, but to use each other as tool that will guarantee a better future.c
andrea s.:
"katerina ivanovna, am i really to do a thing like that?"
"she walked straight up to Katerina Ivanovna and laid 30 roubles on the table"CH2
that was sonia talking to katerina about what she is being forced to do to help out her family .We later find out that she went to go prostitute herself. This girl did something to maintain her family even though it took having to do something as degrating as prostitution.
" ...she took the place as governess...she took cheifly in order to send to you 60 roubles..."CH3
That was written in the letter to raz from his mother explaining how his sister is trying to send himmoney by working as a governess..Another young female character working to maintain there family from poverty.
im starting to see a pattern here...i feel like these women are working to maintain the men and i dont think thats normal for something that was writted a long time ago. I alwasy figured that in the old days the woman was to be taken care of by the man brother or father in their life ...not themselves being forced to prostitute themselve to help maintain their fathers drinking habits or work for the brother rent.
chp 3
"She is an angel and you, Rodya, you are everything to us-- our one hope, our one consolation. If onli you are happy, we shall be happy."
This quote makes me think that the mother has a favorite and that is Rodya. She is willing to sacrifice a daughter for a son and that is really weird. Maybe that is why he is so alianeted, because he was very spoiled as a child from his mother.
chp 2
"'And what if I'm wrong?' he cried suddenly after a moment's thought. "What if a man is not really a scoundrel, man in general, I mean, the whole race of mankind--then all the rest is prejudice, simply artificial and there is no barriers and it's all as it should be."
This quote got me thinking. Its a really powerful and phylosophical way to end a chapter. So, what if were not truly all that and our problems and complications are just in our head? really interesting...
I'm liking this book alot
“Why am I going there now? Am I capable of that? Is that serious? It is not serious at all. It's simply a fantasy to amuse myself; a plaything! Yes, maybe it is a plaything."
“For beggary a man is not chased out of human society with stick, he is swept out with a broom”
“Why am I not at my duty? Does not my heart ache to think what a useless worm am I?
In the first quote is at the beginning of the book and the character seemed to have confusing inside thoughts, as if he were lost or had no real meaning in life. He just wanders around. The second it tells us that beggary extremely humiliates yo in front f society, its like the worst you can do. You actually step on top of your dignity.
The third one if when he is talking in the bar with this drunk he found and Marmeladov, who is the drunk is telling how miserable he fells in his life, he fells he is of no use and help for his family, just a parasite in life.
"From the inner rooms clouds of tobacco smoke floated in, she kept coughing, but did not close the door. The youngest child, a girl of six, was asleep, sitting curled up on the floor with her head on the sofa. A boy a year older stood crying and shaking in the corner, probably he had just had a beating. Beside him stood a girl of nine years old, tall and thin, wearing a thin and ragged chemise with an ancient cashmere pelisse flung over her bare shoulders, long outgrown and barely reaching her knees. "
Through this quote we can come to understand the setting of the story and how it and the people living in it are affected. It is clearly shown how vices like alcoholism destroyed families, this one as an example, and how money made everyone act in such mad and extreme ways! It is also shown how people were unable to control they hatred and despair. the kids, at the same time, naive as they were, cry at the fact of living under such conditions
"The furniture was in keeping with the room: there were three old chairs, rather rickety... the dust that lay thick upon them showed that they had been long untouched. A big clumsy sofa occupied almost the whole of one wall and half the floor space of the room; it was once covered with chintz, but was now in rags and served Raskolnikov as a bed. Often he went to sleep on it, as he was, without undressing, without sheets, wrapped in his old student's overcoat, with his head on one little pillow, under which he heaped up all the linen he had, clean and dirty, by way of a bolster."
With this quote we can see more clearly the extreme conditions in which he is living and how he does not care, how he has lost importance for neatness and even self appreciation, how alcohol has destroyed his dignity.. a dignity that even though to us it seems as he has lost it, he believes a person looses his dignity only when he becomes a beggar
(Last few paragraphs of chapter 2) "As he went out, Raz had time to put his hand into his pockert, to snatch up the coppers he had received in exchange for this rouble in the tavern and to lay them unnoticed on the window. Afterwards on the stars, he changed his mind and would have gone back."
It's the first moment that you see Raz act completely human. He is looking out for others, even if it is for a quick second, but he's soo messed up that this feeling is quickly taken back. I wonder if he was harshly traumatized as a child. Poverty doesn't necessarily bring along greed, so it does make me wonder about his story.
(Chapter 3)"... [Petrovitch] had made up his mind to marry a girl of good reputation, without dowry and, above all, one who had experience poverty, because, as he explained, a man ought not to be indebted to his wife, but that it is better for a wife to look upon her husband as her benefactor."
People in those days, especially these women (Raz's mother and sister) don't mind if they are degraded. Many would think that Dounia would have many suitors in the future because of her good heart and youth, but no. They want a quick fix. Dounia responds to this comment as "words are not deeds". She is bound to be treated like a ragdoll throughout the book.
(Chapter 3) "I have noticed more than once in my life that husbands don't quite get on with their mothers in law."
This simply just made me laugh. Some ideas and concepts, no matter where you are, never change.
I love Andres' quotes! I should have researched Chapter one a little harder. :(
"compassion is forbidden nowadays by science itself"
this quotes conveys a mood of darkness and some kind of negativity and sadness on the book. we can see that there is alot of suffering with the people. the amount of alcohol and greed that there is in the novel is also accompanied with some kind of jealousy between people. there are not nice people and therefore no happiness.
"it would have been dificult to sink to a lower ebb of disorder"
"he had completely away from everyone, like a tortoise to it shell"
here we see that there is something awkward with raz... he has some kind of problem and that is the feeling that the whole book gives to us, there is something wrong in this place, something wrong is going to take place. in the whole book there is a sense of negativity, drunkness, something that does not fit well. i feel very intrigued to know why he wants to hide so much from society, hat is he hidding?
there seems to e something wrong with raz.. how is he the head and produce absolutely no money? why do they still give him money to keep on drinking??
From chapter 2, I chose a quote on page 20, “Thirty copecks she gave me with her own hands, her last all she had as I saw…and here I, her own father, here I took thirty copecks of that money for a drink! And I am drinking it!...Are you sorry for me sir or not?” This is a part of the quote I chose. In these words, I could see how Marmeladov’s conscious lets him see he is actually doing bad because he is spending all the money Sonia, her daughter, gave him from arduous work in drinking, showing that he feels bad about doing that, but drinking is the way he feels fine with himself, this feeling is the one that doesn’t let him stop.
In chapter 3, I chose a quote from page 27, when Raskolnikov was talking to Nastasya, and Nastasya was telling him she came from the landlady for him to pay. “Fool she is and no mistake, just as I am. But why, if you are so clever, do you lie here like a sack and have nothing to show for it? One time you used to go out, you say, to teach children. But why is it you do nothing now?” Here, is when Raskolnikov stills owes the landlady the money for the room and does not pay it, but he does nothing to pay it now, he does not work as he used to anymore, and he tells Nastasya that he does not want to teach anymore because lessons pay him too little money and what he wants is a fortune, a fortune that the lessons will not give him by once. Here we can see that Raskolnikov wants everything at once, like he does not want to work little by little to achieve his fortune but seeks for a way not to bother himself as much to get a fortune by one and this is something really hard to get.
"Oh, accursed life! And yo, are you not ashamed-she pronounced all at once upon Raskolnilkov- frim the tavern! Have you been drinking with him? You have been drinking with him, too! Go away!"
*I like this quote because this is just after he goes and drinks for the first time to the tavern and leaves with Mas.. to his house. It's the first time he drinks and finds himself involved in such a big family chaos. Later on it will happen something like that in hi life, like with his sister that he finds out later on in chapter 3 and how he is said to be responsible for that too!
"Almost from the first, while he read the letter, Raskolnikov's face was wet with tears; but when he finished it, his face was pale and distorted and a bitter, wrathful and malignant smile was on his lips."
* I believe this quote says much about him, because it's a side of him we hadn't seen before. I saw him as a failure when i read the book, but as i read this i know there is much more from him that we have to learn. There are parts of his story that have yet been untold and this letter i believe will bring shifts to his character and actions
1- "I don't know! But blows I am not afraid of...Know, sir, that such blows are not a pain to me, but even an enjoyment. In fact, I can't get on without it..."
This quote reveals just how far gone people in that society were, to a point where they did not care at all for true happiness, and arrive into a state of sinister ideals.
2- "When Dounia spoke to him with enthusiasm about you, he answered that one could never judge of a man without seeing him close, for oneself, and that he looked forward to forming his own opinion when he makes your acquaintance"
In this other quote, I feel as though we are being told quite simply that Raskolnikov will not get along with this gentleman, mainly because of both their ways of thinking. This is a big foreshadow, like the rest of the letter, that will (most probably) lead to a very big conflict in the future.
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